E46 control arm swap

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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Ciclajbek » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:03 am

Of course...Also more lock=slower drift speed....
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Yoshi » Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:09 am

Which could or could not be useful.
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Ciclajbek » Mon Jan 09, 2012 12:30 pm

It is useful if you have 300whp or more :P
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby e30orDie » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:23 pm

Yoshi wrote:
Ciclajbek wrote:If you want more lock, you need them, if you put e46 arms without spacers, what did you got?, only camber


Very valid. E46 arms give you, more track width, more space to add meat on your tires, more room for that extra angle. Also camber and depending on how you install it, more caster too.

I understand that if you want more lock, you need them (or a moded knuckle kit). But it's the same as starting with 500whp vs 100whp. IMO you learn more with the 100whp. Once you learn it, then up power. Same with angle.


Yes and...

The added track actually corrects some center roll, depending how much your car is lowered. I believe this is why my car handled so much better with the e46 arms.

If you look at the wisefab and SLR kits, they both increase the track width to combat the center roll that's thrown off by off by lowering your car.



If you installed e92 inner Rods, you had to delete your inner rod lock on the rack. Thus, giving your rack a tab bit more travel, which results in a tab bit more lock.


As already stated tho- lock isn't nessarcly what you should be after...

More important that lock, is the steering geometry. And if you are worried about lock, go a head a delete your sway- because those joints only give X amount, and wise X more lock, you reach binding issues.... You also surface some other problems too. I ended up driving mine without the sways. My springs weren't stiff enough- (already sold) but I actually got a better feel / feed back ou of my wheel. Roll and handling need to be adjusted first with rates and shock adjustments, not sway bars or length adjustments.

And as you can see in your photo, camber plates are a must, and some do work better than others. I used UUC plates I had years ago, and spun them 180* out to get more camber correction. Honestly, you don't need camber to drift.... Especially not 7*
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Ciclajbek » Thu Jan 19, 2012 7:58 pm

Which inner rod lock i need to remove? i don't understand....

I have D2 coilovers which came with camberplates, but they are identical on both sides, so i can't twist them for 180' to get camber near 2*... Camber of -6* is too much, I will more likely to spin out a lot, I didn't try to get it back as it goes, because something is wrong, on left camber plate (from driver seat position) strut is tightend close to the right (almost biggest camber) and on right side it is tightend also close to the right (almost smallest camber). The fact is, that both sides on wheel alignment have same camber...

I have an opinion that my mechanic which was welding the coilover strut on the original wheel hub.From the temperature of welding it maybe pull it on one side and now it sits wrong (but still straight that it can't be eye visible)... Maybe moulding is wrong, but I am pretty sure that it is wrong welded
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby e30orDie » Thu Jan 19, 2012 10:23 pm

the "lock" i speak of is what holds or "locks" the factory tie rods to the steering rack... but, then again, maybe you have a e30 rack.... and I have a e36 rack. Your's may not have this lock ring. but its the same idea as the lock nut on our spindles.... its just there to keep the inner rod from coming loose from the rack. I used green locktite.
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Ciclajbek » Sat Jan 28, 2012 8:30 pm

Can somebody put on picture of sway bar links welded on struts with these e46 control arms
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Yoshi » Sat Jan 28, 2012 10:44 pm

just look up an M3 front suspension.
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Ciclajbek » Sun Jan 29, 2012 10:45 am

I know but it doesnt have e46 CA so i can't se how sway bar link "works" in turn and so
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Yoshi » Sun Jan 29, 2012 2:12 pm

The control arm doesn't make a difference in this instance though. the sway link will be from the sway bar to the strut. So the extra inch the e46 control arm should make no real difference.
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Ciclajbek » Sun Jan 29, 2012 4:29 pm

Holding for sway link on strut bar must be extended because sway works best if sway link is vertical to sway bar.
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Yoshi » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:21 pm

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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Ciclajbek » Sun Jan 29, 2012 5:35 pm

great, do you have one from other side of strut, so i can see mounting point? thanks
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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Yoshi » Sun Jan 29, 2012 7:47 pm

here's the other side but the part you requested

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Re: E46 control arm swap

Postby Ciclajbek » Sun Jan 29, 2012 9:10 pm

Thank you very much.. These are M3 links?

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